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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 12:46:00 -
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I definently agrees that the tempest should have more armor than shield with all those low slots for armor tanking. Switching those two would grant the ship a more clearly defined armor tanking role.
It doesnt matter much to me if the bonus becomes 5% or 7.5% as long as its a useful bonus and fair in comparison with the other races battleships.
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Locke Ateid
Ah, we're talking about the Typhoon, not the Tempest.
Anyone else think its easy to make this typo? 
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
7.5% typhoon setup
Why dont you post something you feel is more balanced then? By the way, what is the dps of the maxed out Raven for comparison?
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Raven with 6x Siege II, 5x Hammerhead II, 3x BCU II does 1094.3 DPS. It would also have no tank whatsoever if you required it to paint, much less scramble the target like the Phoon could. Not to mention the complete lack of any NOS due to lack of grid. In short, it would die horribly against a Phoon with 7.5% ROF bonus. So outmatched it hurts even thinking about it 
Most of these advantages that the phoon gets in this scenario is because its armor tanking and hence have free med slots for jamming and painting. Almost all of the shield tankers need tacklers if they want to kill something. Maybe it would be better to compare the dps with the megathron or apocalypse since they are also armor tankers.
You seem to be good with the numbers, so ill just let you crunch it if you dont mind...
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/06/2006 17:37:14
Dont let the thread become a flame fest. Fixing the typhoon is too important to let this thread die in rabble rabble rabble.
Imhotep Khem: If you dont like something, post some better solution please.
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Posted - 2006.06.13 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Serj Darek
Well, I have a thread about just the description!
Fix it please.
The ccp devs can only write code, so they need to bring in highly skilled specialists to fix stuff like changing a description.
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Posted - 2006.06.13 18:47:00 -
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I wish Tuxford would post what he feels about these proposed changes, but like he said in his blog, any thread he posts in will become "the" thread to post stuff like "when will carriers be fixed" etc etc.
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Posted - 2006.06.13 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/06/2006 20:24:45
How about this bonus:
100% reduction in t2 ammo penalties
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
that would actually be a cool bonus ^^
Well, lets run some math on it and see how it turns out. I was mostly joking because i felt it would be overpowered, but facts is better than speculation. Somebody else will have to do the math because i would probably forget some skill anyway.
So what would the dps be if there was no rof bonuses of any kind, but instead the ship could use all t2 ammo without the penalties?
Just interested. 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 08:49:00 -
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Nobody interested in doing the math on this one?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:57:00 -
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I dont like how you guys use t1 and t2 to describe tiers. Cant we reserve this for tech 1 and tech 2? I get confused. 
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Posted - 2006.06.14 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Please feel free to stay....intelligent contributions, either for or against the arguments, are what it's all about after all :)
Yeah, so what the hell are we doing here?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.15 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: F4ze
I have had the pleasure of testing the new typhoon on SiSi and this is what I came up with:
I used two different setups, both were using:
4 dual 425mm AC II (barrage ammo, also carrying some hail and EM)
4 arbalest cruise (I only have cruise missiles at lvl3) (paradise cruise)
1 fleeting webifier
1 faint scrambler
1 heavy electrochemical injector
1 AB or 1 balmer tracking disruptor
In case of AB:
1 LAR II
4 hardeners (3 specific, 1 EAN II)
1 gyro II
1 BCU II
In case of tracking disruptor:
2 LAR acco
3 hardeners (1 exp, 2 EAN II)
1 gyro II
1 BCU II
Complemented with 5 Ogre II and 5 Hammerhead II.
And the results....I've killed geddons, ravens, megathrons, apocs, phoons and haven't lost a duel yet (more testing to come).
Imho, the typhoon is great with the new changes. It's a killing machine without resorting to nos-tactics or EW, even with sub-par missile skills. Sure it could do with a little bit extra grid so it might be able to fit the above setups with AB + dual acco reppers, or perhaps fit siege launchers or dual 650mm AC's. But overall, it's actually a good ship and a capable killer.
You have pretty good skills too.... tech 2 guns and drones. Are you sure you fought pilots that used similar, tech 2 setups?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:51:00 -
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This thread keeps dying...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:52:00 -
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Yeah, alot of people seems to agree that it needs 1k extra grid. Hopefully Tux considers it.
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight
weres nauti boy to graph stuff when you need him 
I havent seen him for a long time now... 
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Posted - 2006.06.17 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/06/2006 11:15:48
Yeah, 5% seems to be good enough, judging from these numbers. The ship will become good without being overpowered.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.17 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
tank
6seige t2 2x medium AC T2
xl t2 booster, amp, sensor booster, 2invol, heavy cap injecter
3x bcu, 1x cpu t2, 1x pdu T2
max tank, max dmg, gang tp for you! cpu limited my ass [that is the best pvp tank without gimping damage one bit, its equal to a dual T2 rep with 3 energzed adaptives [which is near impossible on all BS]
How would the new typhoon (5% rof on both projectiles and torpedoes) fare vs this setup gronsak posted? Just interested if it could fit a decent tank while also doing decent damage like the Raven.
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Posted - 2006.06.17 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/06/2006 14:20:21
Nothing to see here. Move your eyes to next post.
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Posted - 2006.06.17 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Yual
The line in bold should read "if it could fit a decent tank while doing decent damage at the same ranges a Raven can."
Range + Damage + Tank is the complaint as far as I understand it.
So whats missing? 1k extra powergrid?
I would love some artillery + siege + tank setups that would work. Even autocannons + siege + tank would be of interest. Not many days left until the new phoon arrive on the battlefield.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Edited by: Sarmaul on 18/06/2006 16:18:32
the phoon is about 300pg short of fitting 425mm ac II x 4, arbi siege x 4, mwd x 1, cap booster x 1 and twin large accom reps :/
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What if you use the next step down on the guns? The damage difference might not be that big...
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Sarmaul
Edited by: Sarmaul on 18/06/2006 16:18:32
the phoon is about 300pg short of fitting 425mm ac II x 4, arbi siege x 4, mwd x 1, cap booster x 1 and twin large accom reps :/
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What if you use the next step down on the guns? The damage difference might not be that big...
Exactly. It's Dual 425mm -> Dual 650mm -> 800mm
dual 425 are the lowest tier already, unless you propose to fit cruiser guns 
Ah, its that bad... 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
is the "new" phoon on Sisi accessible? if so could someone go and look if it got any changes beside the bonus 
The text now includes the bonus, but all the stats are the same.
Sisi & Tranq stats:
Struct: 4969
Armor: 4375
Shield: 4969
CPU: 600
Powergrid: 12500
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:17:00 -
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Well, tomorrow the new Typhoon comes to Tranquility so I think lots of people will try to find decent setups for it. I would love to see good alternatives to the damn Raven flying around everywhere. Its simply not funny seeing only ravens when you do some lvl 4 missions.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.22 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
who likes the sound of 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher bays?
This sounds very cool.
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